Druid changes in latest BC patch
You got a weird view of rogues Gorlom. Shadowstep is a 41 pt talent and it requires stealth mode. Means we have to sacrifice a shitload of the todays "base dagger build" talentpoints in order to reach 41 in the sub tree. We also have to either restealth or waste a vanish in order to use shadowstep. I really fail to see how that makes your rogueduels harder.
I was a bit unnerved at first to, but as Znow says it's a 41pt talent and I for one want these talents to be awesome and defining for their respective tree which I know alot don't live up to but this one surely does and should be a focus when they look at other 41pt talents (loltree and balance talent omgz /druidwhine).
Anna Navarre: You're wearing sunglasses on a night operation?
JC Denton: My vision is augmented.
JC Denton: My vision is augmented.
ah finally something that starts to reassure me. its not only shadowstep that worries me. but il tell you why shadowstep is something i fear so much.
the magma totem and to certain extent earthbind totem loses its effect when placeing prebattle.
if i dont want to face you and i try to run. say you shadowstep and cheap shot me. im now within melee range and will lose alot of health. from hereon any further attempts to run will be pointless but say i for some stupid reason do try to run and you forgot to apply crippeling poison. i manage to frost shock you effectivly slowing you down.
as a subtelty rogue you can now waste the cloak of shadows, blind or sprint to catch up with me.
when you catch up to me i need to get away again by either another frost shock or an earthbind totem.
again you can use every way above minus the one you chose to use, if you are lucky the cooldown on shadowstep is also gone so you can either use some creative use of blind to shadowstep and beat me up or you can vanish and do it.
and since you are so deep into subtelty you ofc got preparation as well meaning once all the cooldowns has ben used you can reuse them.
you dont need to deal awsome ammounts of damage. im dead anyway.
NOTE: to those of you that want to dispell blind with totem: who the hell casts poison cleansing when fleeing? the rogue will jsut wait untill im out of range from the totem again.
yes this is probably a worstcase senaro. but as i said: i really dont like rogues. i do have a wierd view of them. thats why i want some other shaman to post about all this because i feel no other class is in the same position as the shamans atm.
the magma totem and to certain extent earthbind totem loses its effect when placeing prebattle.
if i dont want to face you and i try to run. say you shadowstep and cheap shot me. im now within melee range and will lose alot of health. from hereon any further attempts to run will be pointless but say i for some stupid reason do try to run and you forgot to apply crippeling poison. i manage to frost shock you effectivly slowing you down.
as a subtelty rogue you can now waste the cloak of shadows, blind or sprint to catch up with me.
when you catch up to me i need to get away again by either another frost shock or an earthbind totem.
again you can use every way above minus the one you chose to use, if you are lucky the cooldown on shadowstep is also gone so you can either use some creative use of blind to shadowstep and beat me up or you can vanish and do it.
and since you are so deep into subtelty you ofc got preparation as well meaning once all the cooldowns has ben used you can reuse them.
you dont need to deal awsome ammounts of damage. im dead anyway.
NOTE: to those of you that want to dispell blind with totem: who the hell casts poison cleansing when fleeing? the rogue will jsut wait untill im out of range from the totem again.
yes this is probably a worstcase senaro. but as i said: i really dont like rogues. i do have a wierd view of them. thats why i want some other shaman to post about all this because i feel no other class is in the same position as the shamans atm.
Crezax wrote:If you feel you need to write something angry and insulting, write it down in Notepad, save it somewhere and look at it when you get bored.
No sane rogue will rely on shadowstep against a shaman, this is a fact. As a rogue you want to be as close to the shaman as possible. If the shaman gets away he wins, it's that simple.
Now if you are trying to run away from a rogue (lolz wuss) you really cant, won't deny that. I'll maybe have to blow cooldowns and shit, but I kill you.
Now please compare running away from a rogue against other classes:
Warriors charge you, harmstring you. Hunters put on speedhack, use concussive shot. Druids root you, feral charge you, put on speedhack. Mages frostnova you, frostbolt you, blink after you. Shamans frostshock you. Paladins have 2 stuns for 5s each. Warlocks just dot you and you die after 30s.
I understand mages and hunters complaining about shadowstep because rogues will have one more antikite ability on a 20s cooldown. But a whiny shaman? wat ze fak
Now if you are trying to run away from a rogue (lolz wuss) you really cant, won't deny that. I'll maybe have to blow cooldowns and shit, but I kill you.
Now please compare running away from a rogue against other classes:
Warriors charge you, harmstring you. Hunters put on speedhack, use concussive shot. Druids root you, feral charge you, put on speedhack. Mages frostnova you, frostbolt you, blink after you. Shamans frostshock you. Paladins have 2 stuns for 5s each. Warlocks just dot you and you die after 30s.
I understand mages and hunters complaining about shadowstep because rogues will have one more antikite ability on a 20s cooldown. But a whiny shaman? wat ze fak
again you focus on just shadowstep. shadowstep was just what made the cup runneth over for me.
as i said the totmes we place before engageing has lost its effectiveness. you now have ensured stealth up untill you cheapshot/sap/ambush us.
not even my enginnering stuff with + stealth detection works.
so as a shaman im not supposed to be able to run from OR catch up to rogues fleeing from me?
i know iv been whining way too much but theres nothing any non shaman can tell me that will satisfy me.
if ppl like sneek toe flame veroth mandra tabs or ppl that still got their shamans as mains can tell me that theese skills are somewhat balanced i will shut up.
as i said the totmes we place before engageing has lost its effectiveness. you now have ensured stealth up untill you cheapshot/sap/ambush us.
not even my enginnering stuff with + stealth detection works.
so as a shaman im not supposed to be able to run from OR catch up to rogues fleeing from me?
i know iv been whining way too much but theres nothing any non shaman can tell me that will satisfy me.
if ppl like sneek toe flame veroth mandra tabs or ppl that still got their shamans as mains can tell me that theese skills are somewhat balanced i will shut up.
Crezax wrote:If you feel you need to write something angry and insulting, write it down in Notepad, save it somewhere and look at it when you get bored.
Cloak of Shadows on the trainer for 7g gives me a lot of ?! indeed.
It's on a 2m CD as well - and it basically makes the Shaman completely the bitch of any competent rogue whereas up till now you could get a lucky break and escape from a stunlock.
Barring any potion or trinket abuse of course but you shouldn't rely on stuff external to your class to be viable in close quarters PvP.
At least it's a 41-pointer, Gorlom ;P
Most rogues consider that tree to be gimped as well but I suppose that's just because of the supreme raiding focus of Combat.
It's on a 2m CD as well - and it basically makes the Shaman completely the bitch of any competent rogue whereas up till now you could get a lucky break and escape from a stunlock.
Barring any potion or trinket abuse of course but you shouldn't rely on stuff external to your class to be viable in close quarters PvP.
At least it's a 41-pointer, Gorlom ;P
Most rogues consider that tree to be gimped as well but I suppose that's just because of the supreme raiding focus of Combat.
Yeh, cloak of shadows as trainable and 2min cooldown... It's the same cooldown as NS but oh so much more imba. :p
It's Purge + BoF on a 2 min cooldown! Sweet!
Edit: When I say BoF i really mean BAoD
It's Purge + BoF on a 2 min cooldown! Sweet!
Edit: When I say BoF i really mean BAoD
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Anna Navarre: You're wearing sunglasses on a night operation?
JC Denton: My vision is augmented.
JC Denton: My vision is augmented.
Kibs wrote:shadowstep is still severely bugged at the moment tho. Rogues better start hoping they don't get another Arcane Missiles-fiasco
*Crossing my fingers*
Rogues: TAKE THAT!
(severely aggitated gorlom atm take it with a pinch of salt and =P smiley)
Crezax wrote:If you feel you need to write something angry and insulting, write it down in Notepad, save it somewhere and look at it when you get bored.
from the 48 page rogue thread on EJ forums
World of Warcraft Patch 2.01 Patch Notes
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- Due to a technical issue, temporary item buffs no longer persist while zoning, relogging, or stealthing/unstealthing.
get the poison talents right away imo [/u]
World of Warcraft Patch 2.01 Patch Notes
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- Due to a technical issue, temporary item buffs no longer persist while zoning, relogging, or stealthing/unstealthing.
get the poison talents right away imo [/u]
Disenchants into: 1 Brilliant Mind
Priest updates
uhm... am i completly off or didnt priests have a heal in shadowform in their talent tree before?
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/under ... lents.html
and whats up with the shadowfiend?
will the rogue and warrior classes get a pet soon too or what is up with all classes getting pets?
draenei priests gets fearward and bloodelves can consume buffs for mana. why does alliance need 2 races with fearward?
uhm... am i completly off or didnt priests have a heal in shadowform in their talent tree before?
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/under ... lents.html
and whats up with the shadowfiend?
will the rogue and warrior classes get a pet soon too or what is up with all classes getting pets?
draenei priests gets fearward and bloodelves can consume buffs for mana. why does alliance need 2 races with fearward?
Crezax wrote:If you feel you need to write something angry and insulting, write it down in Notepad, save it somewhere and look at it when you get bored.