Sneek you will just love this

Gorlom · Post by **Gorlom** » 17 Jul 2006, 14:33

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... post611954

(went to the eu shaman forum to find out how WF totem was beeing nerfed and followed some links and came up with this one... since i know how much you love the theory crafting i just had to post it and see your comments about it ^^)

basicly its the alliance dps vs horde dps on patchwerk
(no aggro management os all dps classes except the tanks soaking up the lowest on aggro hit can go full out)

someone claimed that one of the horde guilds were some top theory crafters so it could be fun.

Post by **sneek** » 17 Jul 2006, 23:38

There is some debate though that BOS and TA are of use on Patchwerk.
Was with a warlock grabbing aggro off patchwerk what is to be considered impossible by many diehard top end raiders.

Yes.

Blessings reach every part of the Alliance raid.

With 5 paladins you can cover every single Greater Blessing there is (given that two pallies talent in obscure ones).

With 5 shaman you can cover slightly over half the raid with only one or two buffs and some clumsy utility totems like Poison Cleansing (which has become the new Horde Kryptonite when discussing factional imbalances, since the old Red kryptonite known as Windfury Totem has worn out).

The magic number "5" comes from the fact that each faction has 8 classes and there are 40 slots in a typical raid. That leaves 5 slots per class.

Of course, Alliance doesn't need flimsy crap like a dedicated Paladin to keep up a Judgment of Light or Wisdom nor bestow the raid with Blessing of Sactuary; so you can toss two Paladin slots out and replace them with another healing class like a Druid or Priest.

Zilver · Post by **Zilver** » 18 Jul 2006, 09:20

WL grabbing agro off patchwork? I've read posts of rogues doing 700+dps on him and not grabbing agro. This must be a lie

Post by **sneek** » 18 Jul 2006, 09:28

If you're into self-wallowing virtual pity, there are loads of Alliance:Horde threads out there.

The best one out there though is a post in one of those threads made by Choulema <DarkStorm> of Al'Akir.
He details what I perceive to be the one single point of the difference between Horde and Alliance raiding.
His guild, DarkStorm is the top end Horde raiding guild on their server and has cleared the Spider Wing as well as killed both Patchwerk and Grobbulus as well as Noth.
DarkStorm's also known due to Azgaz, a druid with a penchant for PvP vids.
They are at the same level of performance as the major Alliance raiding guild, Stature of the Gods. That guild is probably known for one of the select few Paladins who made consistent and good quality PvP vids on Paladin PvP/PvE -- Zalgradis.

A brief recap of his post - for learning encounters, Alliance offers the best buffs out there and can possibly allow their raid to pull off encounters where for instance Horde would have wiped.
(This is called "easy mode" to gamers with an FPS background, like me).

It's a very good read.

sudo · Post by **sudo** » 18 Jul 2006, 09:42

what do fps games have to do with easymode? Is it like godmode?

hibernia pve with shrooms, now that was easymode!

Zilver · Post by **Zilver** » 18 Jul 2006, 09:48

Read the whole post, and damn he's right on the money.
Hope blizzard reads this stuff and does something with it...

sudo · Post by **sudo** » 18 Jul 2006, 10:02

blue quote;

"There won't be any major balance changes between Paladins and Shamans in the near future. It will however be looked at again after the release of the expansion to see if things need to be changed. "

In other words; fuck you horde.

Zilver · Post by **Zilver** » 18 Jul 2006, 10:04

"to see if things need to be changed"

how much more obvious does it need to get?

sudo · Post by **sudo** » 18 Jul 2006, 10:09

there has to be some kind of hidden agenda or something for blizzard .. there is just no way anyone sane could possible not see the imbalance .. guess they dont want alliance to cry that horde is overpowered, since most of their players are alliance and, omg, we have the pvp advantage! in a pve game. where gear matters way more than a cpl of racials, and that same gear is easier to get for alliance. oh noes!

Zilver · Post by **Zilver** » 18 Jul 2006, 10:17

Everyone always cries that pve is for paladins and shamans are for pvp. But is that really so? Imo a well played paladin is of much more use in group pvp than a well played shaman.

I've been in those fights where there were 2 paladins and some other random healing class healing the druid with the flag. It was near impossible to kill that fc. Turn towards the paladins (take away the healing), they can easly outheal your dmg on them and if they get low, there's always that shield. Basicly you're ping ponging between healers that can bubble up. Yea a shaman can output more dmg, so what? I'd take survivability above some more dps anyday.

Post by **Fenz** » 18 Jul 2006, 10:28

I'd take survivability above some more dps anyday

If only you would do that in PvE too!

Also I have been in fights were I would just fear the healers and a shaman and me burned down the druid fc before he could cast anything. PvP depends on a lot of things likethe classes you meet when attacking the flag etc.

Zilver · Post by **Zilver** » 18 Jul 2006, 10:31

Funny thing about fear is that paladin can just bubble up to break that fear

. Get a dwarf priest in there too and you got fearward as well. Like i said, a well played paladin is not someone you defeat easly or counter in that matter.

sudo · Post by **sudo** » 18 Jul 2006, 10:35

I hate fighting paladins .. they just keep going and going and going and just when you think you've won, they pop that on a ridiculously low timer invulnerability shield

Skyly · Post by **Skyly** » 18 Jul 2006, 10:37

A well played paladin is one of the best classes in WoW (if not THE best class). A good thing is it's almost always played buy some no clue 14year older =x

Zilver · Post by **Zilver** » 18 Jul 2006, 10:42

Take Arnodoot for example.

The days he played in AB. He was impossible to kill. That dude would defend a flag on his own against 3 to 4 horde with ease untill alliance came to assist him. I have never seen him lose a 1 on 1 let alone lose against a group with equal numbers on his side. Now you could just say that this is because he's a skilled player, but we all know better.